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980987 Jdawg78 : Early artwork didn't really play with lighting.
980988 Jdawg78 : Later on you start seeing perspective and lighting. Using the light and shadows to set the mood of the painting.
980989 Jdawg78 : Usually starting the light from the upper right corner.
980990 Glass : the only thing I see on that pic is that the child is not a child but a dwart
980991 Travis : now we're talking
980993 Travis : LOL Glass, "Stumpy"
980994 Jdawg78 : Usually baby jesus was depicted with an older face.
980995 Travis : Yes, it was ridiculous
980996 Jdawg78 : If you look at any artwork with babies in it...they usually look horrifying.
980997 Glass : si, achaparrado
980998 Travis : Especially in the Byzantine Era and the Virgin had almond eyes
980999 Jdawg78 : www.youtube.com/watch
981000 Travis : they look like balding elderly men with cellulite and small penises
981001 Jdawg78 : Here's a short video essay on the subject.
981002 Glass : anyway, anybody who was born from La Santísima Trinidad...
981003 Glass : por fuerza que tiene que tener alguna deformación física y mental
981004 Travis : We want babies that look like they should have their cheeks pulled, not ones that require a prostate exam lol
981005 Travis : That was a good line
981006 Jdawg78 : Well, they did it intentionally because it was to show that Jesus was born perfectly formed...ie already developed and middle aged.
981007 Travis : Yeah, I watched it
981009 Travis : Glass, time for your prostate exam buddy
981010 Jdawg78 : LOL Now we need a painting of the baby jesus getting a prostate exam.
981011 Travis : I'm sure if you don't, Bill will
981012 Travis : What about a pap smear?
981013 Glass : muy bueno
981014 Travis : Maybe he/she identififies as a female today
981015 Travis : Biology doesn't matter, just your emotional mood lol
981016 Jdawg78 : Well there are different theories on gender.
981017 Travis : There are theories on EVERYTHING
981018 Jdawg78 : There is biological gender...but also gender as a social construct.
981019 Travis : oh brother
981020 Jdawg78 : Yes, and I'm referring to the scientific definition of theory.
981021 Jdawg78 : or sister.
981022 Travis : or both depending on the time of day
981023 Travis : What ever happened to X and Y chromosomes? lol
981024 Travis : common sense
981025 Jdawg78 : Think about this, tomatoes, green peppers, cucumbers are all fruits.
981026 Jdawg78 : Genetically, angiosperms...seeds on the insides.
981027 Glass : so, if he wasn't he bus she, and she had an affair with María Magdalena it means they both were gay?
981028 Jdawg78 : But in cooking, (socially) we use them as if they were vegetables...for savory dishes.
981029 Travis : LOL G
981030 Glass : but*
981031 Jdawg78 : There are females with xx and with xy chromosomes.
981032 Travis : We use them as vegetables, but they are technically fruits
981033 Travis : Yes, there are exceptions to everything
981034 Jdawg78 : Glad you agree.
981035 Travis : cooking (socially) lol
981036 Travis : But I think the whole debate as to "I identify as a man" today and "I identify as a woman" next week is ridiculous
981037 Jdawg78 : Yeah, exactly. They are genetically one way...but wish for a social interaction that fits their identity.
981038 Travis : I identify as Gender 47 until noon
981039 Travis : The whole thing is out of control, admit it lol
981041 Jdawg78 : It needs more study...we need more education.
981042 Jdawg78 : And out of control infers that people are holding up banks or killing babies due to gender.
981043 Glass : well this is a really deep conversation for me, I need to clear my mind for a time
981044 Jdawg78 : I admit that people can be confused about gender because it's not just binary. Some cultures recognize up to 5 different genders.
981045 Glass : so, I'll come back later
981047 Jdawg78 : No, it's okay.
981048 Jdawg78 : Stay.
981049 Travis : Some cultures allow stoning of women for adultery or hanging gays too, what's your point?
981050 Travis : You can always draw out an idea to a ridiculous extreme, I'm not your guy
981051 Jdawg78 : My point is that it's a social construct.
981052 Travis : No, it's biology and attempting to fit in
981053 Jdawg78 : Yes, and sometimes that's the only way to fit in.
981054 Travis : Fine, do your best, there have been men living as women and women living as men since the beginning of time, what's changed is that now we're supposed to see everything as normal and bend over backwards to be accomodating
981055 Jdawg78 : What factors should be considered to determine gender?
981056 Jdawg78 : Bending over backwards?
981057 Travis : You tell me
981058 Jdawg78 : Chromosomes isn't sufficient.
981059 Jdawg78 : Because there are women with XY chromosomes and men with XX chromosomes.
981060 Travis : some women are manly, some men effeminate, I get it...and they deserve to live without being harassed
981061 Jdawg78 : So genitalia?
981062 Travis : But to play the I'm whatever I say I am at the moment game is exhausting
981063 Jdawg78 : There are people born with both sets. And the doctor or parent decides to remove one of them.
981064 Travis : I have a client that is a hermaphrodite
981065 Jdawg78 : That I understand. Genderfluidity.
981066 Travis : non binary, genderfluidity sorry, I'm not "woke" enough for you
981067 Jdawg78 : But that's why I think it's important to consider more than one gender...or maybe we should just treat all genders the same...
981068 Jdawg78 : so if someone is female one day and male the next day...there would be noticable difference.
981069 Jdawg78 : noticeable-
981070 Travis : I disagree, I feel there are differences between the sexes
981071 Jdawg78 : In the way they are treated?
981072 Travis : I don't feel we should play favorites with the sexes, but to not acknowledge obvious differences to me is absurd
981073 Travis : No, biological differences.....lately even many feminists are getting upset about biological men competing against biological women is sports and dominating
981074 Jdawg78 : Well, a doctor would say -hello mrs. jones...which genetalia do you have? Okay, in that case...I'll need to check for hernia.
981075 Travis : Totally unfair to women
981076 Travis : How many biological men do you know that give birth?
981077 Jdawg78 : That is one of the tough areas.
981078 Travis : How many women require a prostate exam?
981079 Jdawg78 : Arnold Schwarzenegger did it.
981080 Travis : Right, because men are different that women....stronger, more muscle density, larger lungs, etc......
981081 Jdawg78 : And again, I'm not saying biological...I'm talking about as a social construct. We are the ones the make up social rules.
981082 Travis : So just saying I identidy as a woman to clean up at the Olympics is BS lol
981083 Travis : Yeah, in a Hollywood movie hah
981084 Jdawg78 : Now, as far as sports go...you can have different weight classes.
981085 Travis : I say if you want to live as a woman, go for it.....free country, but don't sue me if I see your beard and say, "hello sir"
981086 Travis : weight classes isn't enough.... the sexes are built differently biologically
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