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953523 BillMcneal : because we stay away
953524 PauLa : what´s the solution?
953525 BillMcneal : but let's force to interact with each other and agree on stuff
953526 BillMcneal : i'll give you a practical example of what i mean
953527 PauLa : are you ready to do it?
953528 BillMcneal : let's say we're all on a boat
953529 BillMcneal : then we notice the boat is sinking, and that we'll drown, so we start running around, but that's a stupid thing to do
953530 sonvzvezdnuyunoc : i like the way it sounds
953531 sonvzvezdnuyunoc : not the boat anallogy
953532 sonvzvezdnuyunoc : one l
953533 sonvzvezdnuyunoc : my hand is shaking
953534 BillMcneal : so we all get together and debate the problem until it's clear there has to be a hole, which must be patched or we'll die
953535 BillMcneal : so we go and patch the hole
953536 PauLa : yes Bill but a country is not a boat, nor the world
953537 BillMcneal : why? seizure?
953538 sonvzvezdnuyunoc : 2 am
953539 PauLa : you know what I mean
953540 BillMcneal : a country is not a boat, but if a person is violent and the judiciary keeps getting the person out of prison... and we all agree the person can't be out of prison...
953541 BillMcneal : then... let's decide what to do, and do it
953542 BillMcneal : even if it means knocking on the judge's door, if you catch my drift
953543 PauLa : there are superior powers you know
953544 BillMcneal : if we all agree that current politicians are charlatans, then why do we keep voting for them? let's ditch them, who wants to e a politician? raise their hands, there, new candidates
953545 BillMcneal : "el pueblo unido jamás será vencido" :P it's a true slogan
953546 PauLa : jaja Bill I like your wishes, but.......
953547 BillMcneal : presidents have had to resign because of how the people felt, just felt!
953548 BillMcneal : but?
953549 PauLa : naivity?
953550 BillMcneal : you don't have the time to do this? that's the problem i observe
953551 sonvzvezdnuyunoc : most normal ppl dont want power, your new candidates must be psychopathic and\or greedy. Maybe 1st thing isnt that bad for a leader but the second is the one you were trying to get rid of
953552 PauLa : that´s good, at least you think about it
953553 BillMcneal : they can't be psychopathic or greedy, if we have chosen them this way, we'll remove them again, maybe in more violent ways
953554 sonvzvezdnuyunoc : youd have to make another way to choose than raising hands i guess
953555 BillMcneal : there doesn't even need to be a leader, we can have a parliamentary republic
953556 sonvzvezdnuyunoc : but in such cas you will never agree
953557 PauLa : lol son
953558 BillMcneal : agreement takes place on different levels, i disagree with you on many topics, so you vote for someone different, but then these people get together in parliament and have to discuss the exact same topics
953559 sonvzvezdnuyunoc : still, gotta choose parliamentarians - dead end
953560 BillMcneal : and have to reach an agreement
953561 BillMcneal : we just choose representatives, the problem is we choose poorly
953562 BillMcneal : yes, so? i don't want to govern directly
953563 PauLa : bingo!! that´s the principal problem
953564 PauLa : or we wash our hands and don´t vote anybody
953565 PauLa : we are guilty too
953566 BillMcneal : then i'm right... let's get together and agree some people are not suitable for office
953567 BillMcneal : let's say i don't like your candidate, so you say "ok, not that guy", you ditch him, your own candidate, and find another
953568 BillMcneal : then you ditch mine, if you want, and i must comply
953570 BillMcneal : purging the political class
953571 BillMcneal : it's easy if people get together
953572 PauLa : rather difficult, está encastada
953573 BillMcneal : just purge them until we all realize there's a hole that needs to be patched and be pick people with ok reputations
953574 PauLa : will you live to 2050?
953575 PauLa : or more?
953576 BillMcneal : no, i'll probably be hanged for this stuff
953578 BillMcneal : what happens after 2050
953579 PauLa : it was just a number
953580 BillMcneal : why do you ask though
953581 BillMcneal : i'll be... 65
953583 PauLa : pues lo que propones tendrá una larga duración en años más años
953585 BillMcneal : 63, don't pick me as minister of economy
953586 BillMcneal : then so be it
953587 PauLa : we´ll be very old
953588 BillMcneal : our countries are too young, these are necessary tribulations we must endure to improve as a culture
953589 BillMcneal : oh yeah, you'll be mummified by then
953590 PauLa : that´s the point: culture and education
953591 PauLa : jajaj yes
953592 BillMcneal : i should read more about the system of soviets, and why it failed
953593 BillMcneal : centralization of power is a massive mistake
953594 PauLa : son must know about it
953595 BillMcneal : but the soviet union was right next to freaking germany and their war madness, maybe it was inevitable, you can't survive war without centralization
953596 BillMcneal : maybe but she might have some bias, like i have some bias when it comes to our history
953597 sonvzvezdnuyunoc : thats kind of you to suppose that,but i should read too. My bf knows a lot about it
953598 PauLa : no llegaron a la época de la revolución del proletariado, Bill
953600 BillMcneal : <- not a communist
953601 PauLa : that´s what are you wanting to do now jaja
953602 sonvzvezdnuyunoc : bill im sure you have more bias about soviet history than yours
953603 BillMcneal : the idea of having soviets governing local territories is the most truly federalist system i know
953604 BillMcneal : doesn't have to be ideology based
953605 BillMcneal : i don't really have anything for or against the SU olga
953606 sonvzvezdnuyunoc : you dont have to
953607 BillMcneal : but isn't that what bias is?
953608 sonvzvezdnuyunoc : i thought it's misinformation
953609 sonvzvezdnuyunoc : but i guess it's prejudice?
953610 BillMcneal : you like or dislike something, so you presuppose it failed because of its inherent something or another
953613 Norah19 : Hi again
953614 BillMcneal : it's a fact that power in the soviet union became heavily centralized
953616 BillMcneal : the question is why, and i don't have an answer, only the supposition that it had something to do with the need to survive war
953617 BillMcneal : other than that, no bias
953618 BillMcneal : mostly lack of knowledge :P
953619 BillMcneal : wb norah
953620 Norah19 : My brother has come in my appart, that’s why i left
953621 BillMcneal : cool norah, it's good to have company
953622 PauLa : she left
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