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882258 BillMcneal : no, factionalization will not disappear
882259 BillMcneal : it is necessary for different people to dispute power
882260 BillMcneal : i want to be in power, so i claim to be X, and since you want my position you'll claim to be Y
882261 BillMcneal : we're two factions, and that's where it ends
882262 Verntuzo : Vanuatu son muchas islas
882263 PauLa : people can be powerful even not been in a faction
882264 Verntuzo : Lo siento tenía que decirlo
882265 BillMcneal : how?
882266 BillMcneal : hahah vetu
882267 PauLa : you only need money to buy politics
882268 PauLa : parties are empresas
882269 Macuahuitl :
882270 BillMcneal : in essence we agree but disagree with the terminology
882271 BillMcneal : i'd call them factions, not parties
882272 BillMcneal : but ok
882274 BillMcneal : the communist party wants some very explicit things that it'll never abandon, it's its ideology, you can be a "real communist" by following such ideology even if the heads of the party disappear
882275 BillMcneal : it can always be reconstituted because it follows an ideal
882276 PauLa : factions have really disappeared in here
882277 BillMcneal : but factions die and that's it for them
882278 BillMcneal : which factions
882279 PauLa : so what don´t die are the ideals
882280 Macuahuitl :
882281 BillMcneal : yes, they're ideals, thus ideologies, which are the essence of a party
882282 BillMcneal : a "real" party, not what we have today which are just factions, interest of certain groups of people that live and die
882283 Macuahuitl : Luke for president of Argentina
882284 PauLa : la ignorancia tiene cara de
882287 PauLa : that was for chuy
882288 Macuahuitl : Hola, Paulita.
882289 BillMcneal : chuyism, a dying faction
882291 Macuahuitl : Luke for president of Spain.
882292 PauLa : I understand your thoughts Bill
882293 BillMcneal : anyway i don't think a person that decides not to vote shouldn't have a right to protest the way things work, after all that's why they don't vote in the first place
882294 Macuahuitl : I wonder when Luke and Paula are going to get married.
882295 Macuahuitl :
882296 BillMcneal : it's a rejection of factionalism
882297 PauLa : I totally agree
882298 BillMcneal : hell yeah, let's start a party (?)
882299 BillMcneal : (third time trying this)
882300 Macuahuitl : Jon will be the flower girl.
882301 PauLa : hmm have you enough money?
882302 Lynx : si no votas, no te quejes
882303 Macuahuitl : Vote or Die
882304 PauLa : eso Lynx
882305 BillMcneal : why should you be forced to lynx for somebody, when you don't like anybody?
882306 BillMcneal : no pau haha
882307 Macuahuitl : Wb, Jdawg.
882308 BillMcneal : maybe next time
882309 BillMcneal : to lynx = to vote, oops
882310 PauLa : pero votas por lo que prometes y luego sales cag.............
882312 Lynx : ahora soy un verbo
882314 Macuahuitl : "to lynx"
882316 PauLa : Chuy dice que nos ignora y sabe todo lo que escribimos, cinico
882317 Verntuzo : Hay que tener en cuenta de que nosotros también formamos parte de nuestros paises jóvenes
882318 Macuahuitl : Hoy no los puse en ignore, Paulita.
882319 BillMcneal : let's say there's a wounded person in front of you; you don't know what to do to help, so you don't do anything, and ask for help, and if nobody arrives you complain
882320 PauLa : Me alegro, de esta manera me reiré bastante
882321 BillMcneal : but if you *think* that you know what you should do, and you do it but that kills the person, that only makes it way worse for you
882322 Macuahuitl :
882323 Macuahuitl : Me gusta hacerte reir, Paula. Intento conquistarte.
882324 Macuahuitl :
882325 PauLa : so what would be the right way to behave, Bill?
882326 BillMcneal : don't do what you know you don't know how to do, like voting for the first idiot you see on tv
882327 Macuahuitl :
882328 PauLa : that´s obvious, at least for me
882329 BillMcneal : in general i think most people accept this, that they just don't know, but we're always somehow dragged into a really big problem like "if this person wins, the world ENDS" and they just make you go vote that way
882331 Verntuzo : A mi me gusta votar siempre...
882332 Macuahuitl :
882333 Macuahuitl : Hay que risa
882334 BillMcneal : forecasting should be banned from the public sphere, if you have an economic prediction then annouce it in economic circles
882335 PauLa : ese es el juego de los políticos Bill, utilizan la desazón de la gente para convencerlos
882336 BillMcneal : the average joe has no idea what any of it means, and it only contributes to making situations really extreme
882337 BillMcneal : yes, totally
882338 Macuahuitl : Vote for Bill.
882339 Macuahuitl : I mean *Luke.
882340 BillMcneal : so in the end people say "to hell with this" and don't vote :P
882341 BillMcneal : but then they'll vote for themselves among themselves, oh lord, how difficult
882343 PauLa : that was what I meant some lines above
882344 Macuahuitl : Luke for president.
882346 PauLa : no difficult ......is just money and power
882347 PauLa : corruption and so on
882348 Verntuzo : Y con cada presidente que tenemos, hay que trabajar...
882349 Macuahuitl : Paula will be the first lady of Argentina.
882350 BillMcneal : until psychiatrists really find out why some people are such massive a-holes that they become brilliant politicians, there's no way out of this
882351 PauLa : not now
882352 Macuahuitl : Look in the mirror, Luke.
882353 BillMcneal : maybe in the future they'll all be committed to mental institutions
882354 PauLa : we still have hopes, I guess
882355 BillMcneal : you as in uruguay, maybe
882357 BillMcneal : did you have to do the course for the elections again?
882359 Macuahuitl : Luke doesn't want to bring you to Argentina, Paula.
882360 Macuahuitl : "Luke, I am your father"
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