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342777 AppalledDude : That's exactly my point
342778 AppalledDude : You'd be happier if you still didn't know him, I bet
342779 BillMcneal : some people just like to argue...
342780 AppalledDude : If Uruguay wants him, I'd gladly send him away
342781 BillMcneal : i'm argentinian, everybody's bad decisions affect me one way or another, it's like i live in a glass house
342787 ChicoItaliano : come one, dude, we know u voted for him
342788 ChicoItaliano : on*
342789 BillMcneal : it's not like the other guy is unblemished :P
342791 AppalledDude : when you have to choose between an alleged thief and a self-proclaimed fascist, it's not too hard to choose
342792 BillMcneal : haha pau, so cute
342793 ChicoItaliano : true, in fact people easily chose the fascist
342795 AppalledDude : brazilians are incredibly bright, as you can see
342797 BillMcneal : maybe things aren't as bad as you think they are
342798 ChicoItaliano : well, i had the chance to get know a brazilian guy i met on some other chat, and he confirms your sarcastic hypothesis
342799 ChicoItaliano : maybe u know him
342800 PauLa : yes Bill, it all depends on the way citizens get the situation
342801 AppalledDude : well, Bill, I hope I'm mistaken. I truly do.
342802 BillMcneal : it's obvious people are voting against lula/dilma, so far bolsonaro's views on fascism could be his bluffing, like trump
342803 BillMcneal : when it comes to make decisions other institutions will stop him
342804 AppalledDude : it's not really him the biggest problem I see
342805 BillMcneal : if you're scared there could be a civilian-military regime of some sort, that's precisely what people voted against (ie not becoming venezuela)
342806 BillMcneal : what's the biggest problem then?
342807 AppalledDude : it's how people have suddenly accepted this possible fascism with such naturality
342808 AppalledDude : his speech against women, black people, lgbt and so on
342809 BillMcneal : they're voting against, not voting for; when (and if) they decide to really go for fascism, people will turn against them
342810 PauLa : they voted against corruption
342811 AppalledDude : this is bullshit
342812 AppalledDude : Bolsonaro was accused just as much
342813 BillMcneal : besides fascism doesn't work in latin america unless it's backed by the US, and there's no cold war going on
342814 BillMcneal : or maybe there is and people don't like the russians (?)
342815 AppalledDude : and yet we are having this discussion, using 'venezuela' as the opposite side
342816 BillMcneal : right, for a good reason too
342817 AppalledDude : here in Brazil, it is incredibly common people calling the opposition 'communist'
342818 AppalledDude : which is just laughable
342819 BillMcneal : all our countries have the exact problem and it can be solved the exact same way: actually jail those from the previous government accused (and found guilty with ample evidence) of corruption; then bolsonaro will be dealt with the same way when he's on his way out, and so on
342820 AppalledDude : well, Venezuela is in that current state because of its dependency on oil
342821 BillMcneal : you think? tell me how come saudi arabia is not in the same shape then
342822 AppalledDude : it has very little to do with the alleged 'communism'
342823 AppalledDude : well, for starters, how much do you hear about saudi arabia?
342824 AppalledDude : they have some wealthy sheks there
342825 AppalledDude : but how much do you hear about the common population?
342826 AppalledDude : venezuela is way more open and plus it's in our backyard
342827 BillMcneal : you said that venezuela's problem is its dependency on oil; saudi arabia also depends completely on oil, and now you're pointing out that they're problem is actually mismanagement of the profit
342828 PauLa : yes it is too open, most of citizen are going out
342829 BillMcneal : which would indicate, it's what's going on in venezuela, because precisely of the regime, not oil
342830 BillMcneal : <give me a sec>
342831 AppalledDude : the oil problem is part of the regimen. they have over 90% of their economy depending on it.
342834 BillMcneal : the way i see it, all latinamericans are voting against becoming like venezuela, that's the mindset, regardless of how we understand venezuela's (or arabia's) problems
342835 BillMcneal : and anything else is an overanalysis
342836 BillMcneal : bolsonaro is a populist, more than a fascist, although fascists are populists i guess?
342837 AppalledDude : They are
342838 AppalledDude : The way I see it, people are drowning in misinformation.
342839 BillMcneal : is your economy in recession? is there inflation?
342840 AppalledDude : It has improved the last few years
342841 AppalledDude : Inflation is very low
342842 BillMcneal : what's there to worry about then?
342843 AppalledDude : It's nowhere near what it was like in the 1980s
342844 AppalledDude : The problem is the conservative people we have that believe in fake news of all sorts
342845 AppalledDude : But most of all, they don't want (or think they don't want) equality of any sort
342846 BillMcneal : there has to be a financial problem of some sort :P
342847 AppalledDude : Most women who voted for him raise the flag against feminism
342848 BillMcneal : otherwise things wouldn't have gotten so "violent"
342849 AppalledDude : well, the way I see it, yes I agree financial problems do enhance the chances people get 'violent'
342850 AppalledDude : But it's not the case. The whole world was in crisis after 2008
342851 AppalledDude : And yet Brazil didn't feel it that much
342852 AppalledDude : The problem is the former government has open too many doors
342853 BillMcneal : open doors?
342854 AppalledDude : they have legalized same sex marriage, they have started to work their way against homophobia
342855 AppalledDude : They were fighting against domestic violence
342856 BillMcneal : i think you'd make great friends with river plate
342857 AppalledDude : Rape became a huge topic
342858 AppalledDude : And the general people are poorly educated and have their mindset stuck in the 1920s
342859 AppalledDude : They think consent is a myth
342860 AppalledDude : And women who report rape are liars
342861 BillMcneal : i don't think that's why around 100 million people would vote against a certain government :P
342862 Enterrador : hello all
342863 BillMcneal : hi ente
342864 AppalledDude : You don't know Brazilians
342865 Enterrador : hi BillMcneal
342866 BillMcneal : well i know José_Brazil... (?)
342867 AppalledDude : No idea who that is
342868 BillMcneal : haha a guy that used to come here
342870 AppalledDude : Anyway, I have lived to see people gladly defending all those matters
342871 AppalledDude : Way louder than talking about corruption
342872 BillMcneal : it's still their opinion
342873 AppalledDude : Culturally we're a bunch of hypocrites raised by the church
342874 BillMcneal : call me when they're sieg heiling
342876 AppalledDude : won't be long
342877 BillMcneal : the church? i thought you were way more liberal over there, what with all those protestant churches and african-influenced religions
342878 Enterrador : what are you talking about ?
342879 BillMcneal : brazil's new government
342880 AppalledDude : protestant churches are the worst
342881 AppalledDude : catholicism couldn't be that close minded itself
342882 BillMcneal : maybe, but they're not the church... ohh if you knew the things the pope is doing to influence the direction of our political environment
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