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2274650 Universe City : :D
2274651 Universe City : ‹@Lucar01› Oh, but there is.
2274652 Universe City : The whole "Latin America" is a Spanish colony.
2274653 Lucar01 : Well, not exactly neither nearly
2274654 Universe City : Mexico is still run and governed by Spaniards.
2274655 Lucar01 : Maybe just forcing the concept a bit nowadays on the grounds of particular politics
2274656 Universe City : And it's the second-largest "country" in "Latin America" after "Brazil."
2274657 Lucar01 : Now, even Brazil deviates from the colonial narrative
2274658 Universe City : Enrique Peña Nieto the last "Mexican president" before AMLO was 100% Spaniard.
2274659 Lucar01 : They actually DID house the Portuguese monarch for a number of years after Napoleon invaded the penninsula
2274660 Universe City : You have to understand that all of "Latin Americans" with any indigenous blood are indigenous people still.
2274661 Lucar01 : Yes, I understand that mix
2274662 Universe City : All of our artists and writers have sold out.
2274663 Lucar01 : I also understand that those interested in keeping us apart, separated from each other, love exploiting those 'differneces'
2274664 Lucar01 : Sold out?
2274665 Lucar01 : How come?
2274666 Universe City : They think the "Mexica, Maya, Runa ("Inca")...ancient history, irrelevant."
2274667 Lucar01 : Who's 'our writers'?
2274668 Universe City : ALL of our writers.
2274669 Lucar01 : You mean, extinct?
2274670 Universe City : No, I mean they've sold themselves and their people out.
2274671 Lucar01 : But who is they?
2274672 Lucar01 : Leaders?
2274673 Universe City : Oh, no. Everything becomes cerebral they think "The Mexica ("Aztecs"), Maya, Runa ("Inca")...ancient history, irrelevant.
2274674 Universe City : ALL our writers, man.
2274675 Lucar01 : I'm still unable to get your point
2274676 Universe City : BTW, I g2g in 10 minutes.
2274677 Universe City : Do you know what selling out means?
2274678 Lucar01 : (told you, not too bright today)
2274679 Lucar01 : I do
2274680 Lucar01 : But somehow cannot link that to ALL OUR WRITERS
2274681 Universe City : Yeah, ALL our artists and writers have sold out.
2274682 Universe City : They've sold themselves and our people out.
2274683 Lucar01 : And you base that statement on what?
2274684 Universe City : From personal experience.
2274685 Universe City : Name one who hasn't sold out.
2274686 Lucar01 : Would that include Gabriel García Márquez, for example?
2274687 Universe City : Never heard of him.
2274688 Lucar01 : Or Jorge Luis Borges?
2274689 Lucar01 : Never?!
2274690 Universe City : Nope.
2274691 Universe City : Jorge Luis Borges rings a bell.
2274692 Lucar01 : OK, then. Perhaps your sample is not representative of the entire Ibero-Amercian universe
2274693 Universe City : I'd have to research them and find proof that they've sold out.
2274694 Universe City : Ibero-American?
2274695 Lucar01 : Try this name online "CIen Años de Soledad"
2274696 Lucar01 : And (I hope), enjoy
2274697 Lucar01 : I must confess I LOATHE that book, I prefer Amor en Tiempos del Cólera, same author
2274698 Lucar01 : Glad chatting with you here
2274699 Universe City : I'd have to research these guys.
2274700 Universe City : But I can guarantee you they've sold out.
2274701 Lucar01 : And that only TWO from a pool of over 120
2274702 Lucar01 : Sabato, Borges and García are all dead
2274703 Universe City : I see.
2274704 Universe City : Well, I g2g in 3 minutes.
2274705 Universe City : Maybe we can continue this conversation another day.
2274706 Lucar01 : And try to revise your terms, conditions and requirements for a writer to be legitimate and valid
2274707 Universe City : Tell me this: Why don't any of these writers write about being Indigenous?
2274708 Lucar01 : And honourable
2274709 Lucar01 : Sure, same pleasure here. I'll always be Lucar01
2274710 Universe City : I'm a regular here. I'm here almost everyday.
2274711 Universe City : Why don't any of these writers write about being Indigenous people?
2274712 Lucar01 : Some authors do write about natives, indigenous, aboriginal peoples and their cosmogony BUT...
2274713 Universe City : Do they ever write that we are full-blooded and mixed-blood indigenous people?
2274714 Lucar01 : 1.- Indigenous people are sometimes assimilated by their respective societies
2274715 Lucar01 : 2.- Acculturation is a sad but true phenomenon
2274716 Universe City : Ehh...
2274717 Universe City : Do they ever defend their indigenous identity?
2274718 Lucar01 : 3.- Most indigenous people do not know how to communicate (in long writing) in their social dominant language (Spanish, Portuguese, English or Dutch)
2274719 Lucar01 : (or French)
2274720 Universe City : I see that as a good thing.
2274721 Universe City : A lot of indigenous languages are dying.
2274722 Lucar01 : Acculturation: cultural modification of an individual, group, or people by adapting to or borrowing traits from another culture
2274723 Universe City : Ehh...
2274724 Universe City : Assimilation to European culture is genocide.
2274725 Universe City : And racist.
2274726 Lucar01 : I don't know about that, but this phenomenon IS factual
2274727 Universe City : It might be a reality but it doesn't mean it's not genocide and racist.
2274728 Lucar01 : And has been throughout history
2274729 Universe City : The Mapuche are the only of our people who are still fighting European colonialism.
2274730 Universe City : Why doesn't the media ever say anything about that?
2274731 Lucar01 : I'm neither condoning it nor calling it names, I try to keep a cold eye and see how things evolve 'naturally' and what can be done to alter that natural course
2274732 Universe City : Not even the "Chilean media."
2274733 Universe City : Assimilation to European culture is genocide and racist.
2274734 Lucar01 : The Mapuche are being used politically, not all of them agree with violence as a means to strengthen their identity
2274735 Universe City : Why didn't the Europeans assimilate to our people?
2274736 Lucar01 : Oh, great question
2274737 Lucar01 : Along these lines, ask also these:
2274738 Universe City : They're only of our people who are still fighting European colonialism through violence...the only of our people who are still fighting European colonialism.
2274739 Lucar01 : Materially, who is stronger?
2274740 Universe City : Materially?
2274741 Universe City : What do you mean by materially?
2274742 Lucar01 : Materially= practical knowledge (metallurgy, the sciences, social organization, resource management, etc.)
2274743 Universe City : Are you implying that Europeans are superior to us?
2274745 Universe City : That the textbook definition of racism.
2274746 Universe City : See what I mean?: All of our writers have sold out.
2274747 Universe City : Anyways, I g2g now.
2274748 Lucar01 : Just answer the question, YOUR question was Why didn't the Europeans assimilate to 'our people'
2274749 Universe City : Hope we can continue this conversation tomorrow.
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